Dutrow Hearing

[Niall]

Dear fellow posters ... for me, the proverbial camel is tetering and feel personally that if this guy somehow shakes loose any faith that I have in this game may be irretrievably lost ... And the particpants are pulling at the heartstrings with their \" its someones life and livlihood \" syrupy crap. There are so many good people that play on the fringes of this game, within the rules, and who I ask is looking out for them? And while I am at it, let me send a personal shout out to Michael Veitch (brother of KY steward John) who does a fantastic Orprah imitation with his interviews with Dutrow almost diefying the cheater. And yet he fancies himself a journalist. How can we make them hear, \"we want the game cleaned up!\"

[miff]

Niall,

Think THEY got ya buddy.Tricky\'s positives mainly minutia.The latest Tricky positive violation(90 days) for a race day banned painkiller,the horse finished dead last, but Tricky is responsible.

Seen MANY horses routinely injected for minor stuff at the track/farms by trainers/assistants wanting to save owner vet bills.Many own/have hypo needles.Tricky is responsible for the hypo needles found in his barn area. Incidentally, where are the repeated Class 1 and 2 Violations which should lead to revocation??

Tricky a target of the disingenuous Albany politicians via certain upstate Blue bloods in the game. The demise of the game came long before the likes of a nitwit like Tricky showed up.Most of the blame in NY rest with the Albany Politicians who suddenly champion the popular \"integrity cry\" like every clown in the game with a forum. The smug Clueless Clowns who\'ve been running NYRA for the past 10 years or so,also complicit in hurting the NY racing game.

By the way,imo, Tricky lacks the wherewithal to run any kind of ongoing cheating scheme. It\'s well known he\'s a nitwit and his own worst enemy(nothing to do with racing).They may revoke Tricky for being an undesirable to gain favor with the public because they really have nothing else of substance.

If Tricky\'s revoked,some will think something good just happened to the game, but you\'d just be sucked in by the Albany crowd who are desperate to do damage control to a drying up revenue stream, the players money.


Mike

[HP]

Interesting point/counterpoint.  One comment.  Miff wrote...

\"Tricky is responsible for the hypo needles found in his barn area.\"

Maybe I\'m misinterpeting this but it seems like you are saying perhaps he is NOT responsible?  

For me, the answer to this is a resounding YES.  He IS responsible.  I don\'t know what it adds up to...but that\'s definitely YES.  

HP

[bellsbendboy]

Spot on Mike.

I would only add that it is not the \"race day\" medications that are the real issue, rather it is the training drugs; ractopamine et al.  

More than a few top level trainers are using powerful stuff that clears the system by race day. bbb

[miff]

HP,

Absolutely yes, as was Gary Sciacca when he got 90 days for a positive while he was out of the country. Thats what the trainer responsibity rule is all about.


Mike

[TGJB]

1-- Yes, most of the times Tricky has been CAUGHT involved innocuous suibstances.

2-- He had a 42 TCO2 test in Ky. That alone should have gotten him at least a year even if it was a first offense-- it\'s way over the limit, so clearly intentional, and involves a definite performance enhancer. It\'s also probably a federal crime (affecting the outcome of a sporting event).

3-- The problem isn\'t the things he\'s been caught using.

[miff]

Hi Bell,

Aware that you know this stuff but in NY that problem has somewhat dissapted. NYRA was desperate to \"get\" Rudy Rod, they had 99 spies and all kinds of out of competition testing done,got nuttin.New Jersey went after Levine in the same way a few years back,got nuttin.Cali always after Sadler,Mitchell et al, got nuttin except a Mullins bullshit thing.Chemists way ahead of testers.

With other venues doing the out of competition surprise testing, I wonder which trainers still have the chops to do the in between thing.

Mike

[TGJB]

No knowledge or opinion on Rudy. NJ only tested Levine for one drug (EPO) in their famous investigation and did not freeze the samples. Rick Arthur in Cali has stopped everyone except possibly one guy (there was one other for a few months ending a couple of months ago).

Take a look at the \"last 90 days\" for the usual suspects in So Cal. It shows up in the figures, too.

[miff]

\"Take a look at the \"last 90 days\" for the usual suspects in So Cal. It shows up in the figures, too\"


JB,

Obvious PR-ing for your pal Rick Arthur.Don\'t agree at all. Sadler and Mitchell both had enormous runs AFTER Arthur outed them re the steroid thing, 2 years ago,maybe??. Both only RECENTLY on the quiet side,but any barns can go to the cold side at any time.They are still in the very top tier of the trainers standing, meet after meet.

Mike

[Rich Curtis]

Mitchell has been quiet?

[colt]

Sadler horses were ruining like Booby Frankel-esque circa 2002/2004, where they would re-brake inside the 3/16th as if the had wings for the past 2+ years.  His current runners including winners are not exhibiting that style of running.  

What I cannot understand is why racing haven\'t adopted the testing/enforcement measures that are in place in Track & Field given that both sports are clones of each other.  In fact, just about all performance enhancers in racing can trace their origin to Track & Field.

[TGJB]

Mitchell is the only one of the big ones from a few years ago still winning or getting figures like he was. O\' Neill and Mullins way down, Sadler a good trainer with good stock but not getting the big numbers he was, as a rule. The steroid thing is very old news, not what this is about.

The guys that bear watching now are Carava and Puype, not sure yet.

[Caradoc]

Jerry, Mitchell is absolutely on fire in Cal.  Lost in all the back and forth about the DQ in the sprint on Monday was that the Mitchell horse that was put up was one who had been trained last year by Carla Gaines, a very skilled trainer with no indication of move-up tendencies.  Last year the horse had a settled top of 7.5.   Sadler claimed the horse at Del Mar and laid him off until January, and the horse moved forward a 2.25 points second off the layoff.  Okay, possible given that the horse had been laid off and now was 4.  Then, however, Mitchell claims the horse and moves it up another 3.25 points in the first try off the claim.  He then bounces a couple of points going back to turf, runs Monday in the stakes and probably ran another new top in that race.  Something isn\'t right somewhere.

[miff]

Rich,

Thought JB was inferring Mitchell in the \"usual suspects\" category.He just had a  former claimer put up on a DQ against some of the best Cali sprinters on Monday.


Mike

[colt]

\"it\'s the shoes\"... that\'s the typical response you get from these move-up trainers....