Frankel

[TGJB]

That\'s the point. Nobody would argue with very good. But that\'s a different issue than \"greatest\" or even one of them. And she can be very good or even great and still be overrated.

And by the way, I\'m still waiting for someone to answer a question Miff asked here a long time ago-- someone explain exactly what she did to deserve HOTY the year she won. That\'s not a lifetime achievement award.

[sighthound]

Sekrah, this thread was supposed to be about Frankel.

[sekrah]

Well someone made a comment about critics of Zenyatta should look at her resume again and I responded to that.

[miff]

\"critics of Zenyatta should look at her resume again and I responded to that\"


Sek,

Neutral on Z as being an all time great horse(not female) but her resume reads 19 out of 20, 17 straight wins and her loss to the BC male field by a head.

Whats wrong with the resume, forget about anything else.

Mike

[moosepalm]

Maybe it\'s just me, but after, give-or-take, a zillion posts on Zenyatta, I still get the feeling the points being discussed front other issues that people are invested in, more so than the horse herself.  Nothing will be conclusive, but she was pretty darn good.  So is Frankel.  I\'ll save more definitive opinions for the next race.

[plasticman]

I apologize guys, i was the one who mentioned Z in my post, i was the first one who brought her name into this discussion. I tried to make the point that Z was roundly criticized for staying with a \'comfortable\' schedule but now that Frankel is doing it, well, its ok because he\'s the \'greatest ever\'.

My original point was that i\'d like to see Frankel here, in the states, on dirt at a mile and a quarter vs the best we have to offer. He\'s still a wonderful horse if he never comes to America, and he\'s still a wonderful horse if he never races on dirt, but if you want to be the greatest ever, i think you have to have some adversity and actually get out and show some different dimensions. At least in my book.

[plasticman]

Was there somewhere i read that Andy Beyer said that Secretariat\'s Belmont Beyer would have been 139? You have to imagine he would have broken negative 7 on the T graph scale also if 139 is indeed what Beyer would have hung on him.

[MO]

I\'ve been following this horse, and I have to admit I\'m a fan! But he\'s untested beyond a mile on the turf. The trainer has very little interest (IMO) in returning to SA where I believe his ex wife resides......(I have an LAX story for ya Rich Curtis.....)

Had the Breeders Cup Mile been run at CD or BEL this year, I think he shows up and wins going away at 1-9 and maybe, perhaps, in a wild dream - he  tries for Goldikova\'s record........

Anyway, great race horse. Good for racing all around..........

[sekrah]

Don\'t apologize plastic.  The Zenyatta myth about her greatness should be exposed.

[sighthound]

Frankel is entered in the Eclipse July 7th 1 1/4, where he may meet up with So You Think, who just won his 10th Group 1 in the Prince of Wales at Ascot.  That would be an outstanding matchup.

Frankel also entered in the Sussex 8/1 at 1 mile, and the Juddmonte 8/22 at 1 1/4.

[shanahan]

sighthound Wrote:
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> Frankel is entered in the Eclipse July 7th 1 1/4,
> where he may meet up with So You Think, who just
> won his 10th Group 1 in the Prince of Wales at
> Ascot.  That would be an outstanding matchup.
>
> Frankel also entered in the Sussex 8/1 at 1 mile,
> and the Juddmonte 8/22 at 1 1/4.


Come on, didn\'t you know this was a Zenyatta thread?  You remember her...classic hero?  Shunned by one...

[P-Dub]

TGJB Wrote:
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> Pdub-- you were writing that to him, but it also
> applies to yourself. How do you figure it goes,
> everyone gets one post on a subject and you get
> one for every one of theirs you disagree with?
>
> There were other people on this string that
> disagreed with him but had something to say other
> than \"I disagree so shut up\". Which you say to
> someone pretty much every time Mike Smith or Z
> comes up.
>
> I don\'t know if you want to do a search on this,
> but my guess is there are 4 times as many Pdub
> posts with the word Zenyatta in it as Sekrah\'s (or
> anyone else\'s).


He offers nothing new to the discussion.

She\'s overrated. She gets up for 1 race a year.

I\'ve never said \'I disagree so shut up\", where the hell you get that I have no idea. If he has something to add, great.

Its also funny JB, that when you feel I have an answer to every post about Z or Smith, you make a specific point to tell me about it.

This guy does the exact same thing, and you sit idly by and let him drone on and on.

So just tell me there are 2 sets of rules.  Sekrah gets to rattle on incessantly, and you say nothing.  I repeatedly defend something or someone and you chime in \"thats enough\".

Is Sekrah\'s last name Brown?? At least that would explain the kid glove treatment he receives for basically doing the exact same thing you want to criticize about me.

[P-Dub]

HP Wrote:
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> Sekrah - Alzheimer\'s?  that\'s 101 times you\'ve
> said the same thing.  4 times on this thread
> alone.

Hey HP, I said the same thing.  You\'ll be getting a post telling you to knock it off.

[HP]

It\'s JBs board.  

Take comfort in the fact that it doesn\'t really matter what anyone says.  It\'s all just blah, blah, blah.  I try not to get married to my opinions.  I\'m not that important.  I\'ve been wrong enough to have learned that.  The Z people made plenty of money and got plenty of accolades and nothing anyone says changes that.  You can stamp your feet all day and she\'s still Horse of the Year.  Whether you like her or not.  If it makes the guy happy going on about it let him have his fun.  Meaningless.      

HP

[miff]

\"At least that would explain the kid glove treatment he receives\"


Paul,

Only one guy gets kid glove treatment here,errrr....me, of course! Actually JB pretty fair in taking bullshit,abuses everyone equally.Horse players passionate about their opinions and it\'s a good thing we differ.

Posts should be limited to careful,thoughtful,polite prose...like mine.Know HP agrees.


Mike