Flashback knee injury

[TGJB]

AJK-- Translated into figures, that\'s about right. And if DOJ hadn\'t gone nuts, it would be easier for everyone to digest (including some figure makers).

Think about it like this. IF DOJ had won by 10 everyone would be raving about her huge performance.

She ran 6 (SIX) points better than that.

[Beau]

I agree... If I recall 2012 BC the Sheets had the sprint and the turf sprint nailed. I do not play Santa Anita often, only on big days, so I would not know day in and day out how their numbers come up for sprints.. I have used TG and the Sheets and both have had their bad number.. TGJB has a tough and complex job to make numbers as does the others (Sheets). I do not understand TGJB always bashing the Sheets numbers. Who cares what their numbers are if we are using TG.

[TreadHead]

Bode ran a negative number (which was a 10 length victory) prior to the KYDerby off a 3 and 2 prior and was not beaten more than a length in the route stake he lost.  IF GC ran something near a zero (and the figure maker has already cautioned us that people who are guessing and assuming might not be right on), not only will his pattern be more erratic in terms of tops and bounces, but he has already reacted much more adversely to a heavy pace scenario and \"normal\" track that is not so speed favoring, much more so than Bodemesiter ever did.

And that\'s before even getting into a pedigree discussion.  But who knows, maybe ONeil will bust out the shockwave therapy again and pull a rabbit out of the hat.  But I certainly am not bettin on it given the other horses I see this year.  This year\'s field contains more horses with numbers in the 1-2 range than last year and seems markedly better.

[jimbo66]

Touch gold and beau,

Wondering what businesses u guys are in that you \"don\'t understand\" the need to competitively contrast your own product with the competition.

If it were my company there would be a whole bunch more posts, especially considering the types of guys that run the other company.

I challenge u guys to find a single thread where robes/Len engages a customer with an intelligent debate about figures for a horse or race.  They don\'t exist. The figs over there come down from mount Sinai on tablets.  And even if they make no sense or the math doesn\'t work on the ground loss, there is no questioning them.

tGJB may have California figs too slow, but at least he discusses it, even if he was bit rude to the soft spoken and mild mannered miff......

Jim

[TGJB]

You talking about the Ken Sherman site?

[jimbo66]

That guy is making me miss chuckles.   At least when chuckles was there, he contributed some horse racing knowledge amongst his self gratuitous posting

I used to look over there every few weeks or so to see if there discussions worth reading.  I rarely check now, as there just isn\'t anything going on.

[TGJB]

I swear, I\'m not Ken Sherman. (Kinda like Spartacus in reverse).

It\'s almost like a conceptual art project. Or a philosophy question. Who is Ken Sherman? Not John Galt, for sure.

The ads about the most interesting man in the world? Not him either.

[touchgold]

I trade stocks and work with an investment advisor. Contrasting is fine. .My returns speak for themselves so I dont need to bash fidelity, etc. I will admit I am a little sheet biased, as that was the first product I was introduced to 15 years ago.  I have had decent results using both. I will say, hands down, this board, the TG sire data, thoro pattern, and TGJBs ability to advise on the purchases of horses, clearly far superior. I guess one way to look at it, is I m originally from chicago....and while I am a white sox fan, and I am not a cubs hater.

[TGJB]

Your returns speak for themselves only if people know about them, and how they compare.

[touchgold]

well, what I mean is if I didnt produce, I wouldnt have a job....and a few of our clients came from a well known advisory program which was a chronic underperformer....but in our business and obviously here, % returns speak louder than words....Listen, I am a tiny fish in this pool, so, I ll leave it with both products have had me smiling at the windows and also scratching my head.

[Rick B.]

touchgold Wrote:
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> I m originally from chicago....and while I am a
> white sox fan, and I am not a cubs hater.

That breed of White Sox fan supposedly doesn\'t exist
here in Chicago anymore -- they hate the Cubs, first
and foremost...oh, and maybe attend a Sox game once
a year. Or not. No wonder you left.

[touchgold]

well, I grew up with white sox season tickets...but lived in the city for 20 years...and hands down cubs games way more fun to attend than white sox games....at least when I lived there....kind of like arlington vs hawthorne

[TGJB]

By complete coincidence, a post by Friedman just now on the Ragozin board gives another perfect example of the problem they have with their Cali sprint figures being too fast. He says that on their stuff Flashback ran a number first time out (in a sprint) that he has never gotten back to, meaning they have him running worse in the SA Derby than in his debut.

We have him 4 1/2, 4 1/2, 3 1/2, 2 1/2. The last three are routes. Beyer has him running a 10 point top in the SA Derby (equal to 3 of ours or Ragozin\'s). I will guarantee you Ragozin (Friedman) is the only figure maker anywhere having that horse\'s debut as his best effort-- which is clearly nuts.

[vp612]

Is it remotely possible that Ragozin had him going back his last 3 and now the horse is hurt that the reason he was backing up (on their numbers) was that he was a hurt horse.?Think about that.

[vp612]

TGJB what do you think about the flashback injury as it relates to his figures?