Don't discount a Secretariat like performance Saturday

[TGJB]

Nowhere have I said it will have the same effect on all horses, just as it doesn\'t with all people-- a point I made about 100 posts ago.

Again-- it\'s easy enough. Run without it, shut me up.

And since there is exactly ONE horse in the world they would have changed the NY rule for, this is one of the biggest piles of crap I have ever seen.

[Box]

Not arguing that point you have it exactly correct on how NY handled it. I\'m just saying \"logically\" speaking I can\'t attribute the string of efforts to just the strip.

Equipment change information is horrendous across the board. Lord of Love won Saturday as a 1st Gelding, was not on the NYRA site or anywhere disclosed as a change. A horse changes the type of blinkers they use and wins; we will never know, the equipment modification is not disclosed in the data. This is all data you should be able to track and can\'t because its not disseminated in the data you get form equabase...Just saying this points to bigger issue of disclosure and the way the data is communicated to players.

[johnnym]

Not expecting it. Espinoza is a veteran jock he will only ask the horse to do what he Needs to do to win. If the horse goes to the lead on his own he could wire the field.
With everyone making a deal regarding equipment changes on Chrome the biggest change was going to Espinoza.
I personally think Chrome is still improving.
Good luck

[kencbs]

Even worse, I\'ve actually heard rumors that the American League is going to let teams use something called a \"designated hitter\" that won\'t even have to play defense.  How does that grab you?

Ken

[TMW]

kencbs Wrote:
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> Even worse, I\'ve actually heard rumors that the
> American League is going to let teams use
> something called a \"designated hitter\" that won\'t
> even have to play defense.  How does that grab
> you?
>
> Ken


That would not be fair. Pitchers, like say David Price ($10M per year), could throw at the heads of batters, like say David Ortiz ($14M per year) and not have to fear retaliation? That would be ridiculous!

[Old Mr. Boston]

Completely agree. This is not so much a rule change as a money grab.

[TGJB]

You\'re right, all rule changes are the same. Letting players use performance enhancing equipment is exactly the same thing. Especially in a game based completely on betting.

[Marlin]

wouldn\'t the offical who checks the horses tatoo number under his lip be close enought to know if any horse has the strip on?  Seems pretty easy to me.  I mean, that offical is there to make sure the horse who is registred of the race, is the one saddled for the race & not a ringer.

[Donut]

he Belmont distance adds so many unknowns for CC to win the TC

Right! FAST horse, but one of his lowest speed #\'s was going a 1 1/4

those same variables affect the competition too

this 3yo crop is nothing to right home about, but he\'s had a lot go his way and NOT his competitors way. there are some horses in race that have some talent and look the part for 1 1/2. Also, GROD won\'t let CC walk. GROD has speed.

Many things seem to indicate \"all systems go\"

[color=#FF0033]yeah a nasal strip. Sherman said \"we would not go without nasal strip.\" Come on, not go w/o a strip??[/color]

The horse reportedly training well over the Belmont surface

big deal..he\'s a nice horse and fit as can be right now. looks horrible in gallops..btw. Although when looking at horses it\'s nice to see a little something off. too perfect is a bad sign. Which may be good for him.

weather looks to be good. He has handled large crowds calmly

there\'s no bigger stage than the Derby and more horses. not even worth mentioning.

His jock has had the TC experience before, is getting some rides there beforehand ...
jock won\'t cost him this race. CC has speed, victor does what he wants.


While he may not get the distance, there is also the chance he obliterates this field by many horse lengths. His tactical speed is clearly an advantage

IF He don\'t get the distance, he don\'t win....PERIOD! This is 1 1/2 at BIG sandy for TC and you just went 1 1/4 and 1 3/16..there is no fakin. This isn\'t a turf race.

Yes, I\'m going to have some backups to CC, but be prepared for an historic win by him too...
Secretariat like performance within 20 lengths of 31 doesn\'t warrant a hedge of any kind. Believe or die cause that\'s what chrome is on Saturday. He will have it close to his own way again... 1.5 or pack it.


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[moosepalm]

This issue has more legs here than a Jay Z story on TMZ.  I hate to be anal retentive about language, but the rule in question here stated \"only equipment specifically approved by the stewards shall be worn or carried by a jockey or horse in a race.\"  So, if I understand this correctly, there was no \"rule\" against nasal strips, only a practice of prohibiting them, based on this discretionary power.  So, I get the consternation about inconsistency of application of such discretionary power, but am I the only one who thinks the travesty is the discretionary power itself?  Now, I\'m sure there have to be instances where you need this kind of safety net coverage for equipment anomalies that can\'t be accounted for systematically, but nasal strips have not been a novelty item for quite a few years.  How can this, and other equipment uncertainties be left solely to the whim of three individuals whether you\'re talking about a potentially history making race or a state bred claimer?  It\'s our same wagering dollar on the line, regardless.

\"Forget it, Jake, it\'s Chinatown.\"

[TGJB]

You are thinking logically, and that has no place in this game. Way too easy.

[jerry]

Wasn\'t there also a jockey change with the jump up? How much difference does a jockey make? Tough to quantify.

[jerry]

JB, how healthy is NY racing or all of racing for that matter? Do you think it would have been smarter for them to have disallowed the strip, risked having the horse pass the race and potentially lose every positive piece of publicity associated with the Triple Crown? Over a freaking bandaid! Imagine if they had. Would you feel better now?

[jerry]

A money grab due to increased publicity and handle means lower takeout.

[TGJB]

Yes. And it\'s not a close call. It either makes a difference or it doesn\'t. If it doesn\'t, run without it.