quintons gold rush

[holybull95]

Does George Santayana have a horse running in the Derby?  But seriously folks, IMO  SJ is a must use at least underneath in exotics.  With a good number of longshots with a fighting chance I would hate to rip a nice ticket because I left SJ out completely.

[Kingfisher]

If Santayana has a horse in here, he surely is SJ. Reminiscent of Affirmed. I agree that that he is a must use, and I\'m convinced enough that I think he will be very tough to beat.

[big ant]

The horse crushed his competion in:Philly, on Aq inner, and @ Oaklawn, fast as he is that is not impressive to me. If he happens to draw a bad post or ends up in a speed duel that won\'t help the 58 workout can be viewed as a negative,  Stew Elliot is okay ,but inexperienced in the classics.Rockhill Native & John Oldham come to mind.BTW has anyone reached out for P.Val yet?

[bdhsheets]

How anyone can completely dismiss a horse that has 5 figs [not a flukey one or two] faster than lifetime tops of 17 of the prospective combatants [including the AE\'s Edd and RHT] is totally beyond me.

Sire Elusive Quality set a world record for the mile on the turf [Raise A Native sire line] BM sire Smile set track records for 9 panels at Fairmount Park 149 flat and Canterburry Downs in 148 flat [what the hey! lol]

Sure the wheels could fall off, but if he runs anywhere close to his previous figs and I don\'t have him, I\'ll ask Jason Williams to visit my home and teach me proper handling techniques for a shotgun. ;-000

[miff]

SJ is much faster than most and that does not even speak to his style,(i.e NOT A GROUND LOSS TYPE)The whole question is whether he has  one more in him at the distance and he will be one of the choices.

[big ant]

A mile on the turf ,are you kidding,Smile are you really kidding......all you have said sounds good if he had to go a mile on Saturday

[big ant]

If i recall correctly Smile won the BC sprint once and was beat the another time by Precisionist in the BC sprint.Smile may have gotten those 1-1/8m races you speak of ,but i have to believe that he did so under optimum conditions. If you really want to impress me tell me that he beat Turkoman @ 1-1/8m @ Belmont

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Quote Big Ant re: Smarty J:

\"I hope you bet a bundle, tell all you\'re friends to.\"

LMAO

[big ant]

Exactly ,bet a bundle,send it in and tell everyone you know how fast the horse is ,and what a marvelous story his winning would be.He may win ,he may hit the board,but i won\'t have him

[bdhsheets]

big ant:

Read a little bit, it\'s good for your health..............

http://www.reines-de-course.com/triple_crown_2004.htm

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

bdhsheets

I\'d been unable to sleep tonight and decided to look at a horses pedigree. Something won\'t leave me alone about it. At first I thought I saw Northern Dancer in this horse and I studied Northern Dancers Pedigree. I tend to look at four branches in pedigree. To do that you have to go back to grandparents. Its in those four main branches that I think you can see strengths or weaknesses. Granted its great to breed A.p.Indy to a Banshee Breeze or Farda Amiga, but still you might not get the genetic mix you want. I couldn\'t really compare this horse to Northern Dancer...the Nearco and Native Dancer Grandsires comparisons weren\'t exactly there. (Nearco was 14-14 up to 2 miles...Dancer was 21 for 22 up to 1.5 miles.) I guess he passed on the JCGC.

Then I read your link and it hit me. This particular horse is a performance kin to Bold Ruler. He\'s not as accomplished in preps as Bold Ruler, but thats the kind of horse he is. Bold Ruler exists in 3 of his four main branches and hes that kind of brillant.

The remaining prong where Bold ruler does not exist, is filled with quality and wouldn\'t you know that little horse I intially saw in my minds eye is there as well with his Nearco and Native Dancer contribution.

3 links through Bold Ruler brings more  Nearco genetics too, which is not to say this horse is gonna be that good. But I\'m pretty sure that ancient breeding has popped up some in this guy.

[big ant]

You know what your right , i will now use him on top exclusively, because i believe of what you have illustrated with the bloodline, i now believe he will run a 5 pt. top on Sat.



Post Edited (04-28-04 07:00)

[Chuckles_the_Clown2]

Tell us you like. If you don\'t want to smack down you\'re price just let us know those you\'ll probably use with an exotics shot.

By the way, I agree wholeheartedly with your bet small / win big theory. Which is not to say you can\'t ascertain trainer intent at times. Intent is the key. In the Derby I think intent is manifest, its a question of getting carried away and multiple entries. The same can be said of most graded stake racing.

Lastly, let me ask you this...where you old enough to bet Seattle Slew, Affirmed or Spectacular Bid and did you bet them?

[big ant]

Actually i did bet Slew and i got 2-1 on him against Affirmed.He won for fun and paid 6.20 i think that was the last real value i\'ve seen