How good is this crop???

[mjellish]

Provided they all get to the race, i would say AP and DORT close to co favorites around 4-1.  Carpe Diem just behind at 6 or 7-1.  And everyone else double digits.  Materiality will take some $.  Frosted, Firing Line... Might get 18 or 20-1 on International Star who swept the 3 prep races at FG.

[Wrongly]

Miff

Come on, he\'s going to get bet like Big Brown (colonel John, Pyro) and Fu-Peg (The Deputy,coupled entry Impeachment and Commendable) ?  Too many choices with hype, just don\'t see how he can be that low.

[Fairmount1]

mjellish wrote:

\"Might get 18 or 20-1 on International Star who swept the 3 prep races at FG.\"

And as richiebee eloquently states apologies to fig purists......his last race was into a slow pace against a stubborn Stanford.  Look at the other route fractions that day.

[miff]

Wrong,

AP was like 9-2 co favorite with Dortmund before this race.Will enter derby off a \"nice\" top, held,and will sport a perfect pattern. The whole world sees him gallop effortlessly and the bandwagon will be full if AP trains up well.AP will not ship back to Cali but goes Monday to CD.

Prior to this race there was enormous hype in Cali from the major clockers about AP(and Baffert who is under gun not to offend Dortmund\'s owners)

If I was betting him, 5-1 on AP a overlay right now.

Mike

[big18741]

Keen Ice and Frammento sitting at 22 and 23 would run if they can get in.
Both trainers insist they have 10f horses.

So even if you lose four from the current top twenty you have at least those two ready to step in and maybe even the Lexington winner.I think we\'ll have 18-20 in the gate.

Derby fever.

[jp702006]

Some offshore casino needs to offer a prop wager for Baffert running 1st and 2nd.......

[toppled]

That\'s an exacta box, the track takes those.

[johnnym]

A.P 5/2 Dortmund 9/2 carpe Diem 6 -1 everyone else over 10-1 my 2 cents..
I am by know  means a thorograph expert, but how does A.P numbers match up to Bodiemiester\'s?

[jp702006]

Yes, I know that. However, you would get much better prop bet odds than you would with that $30 exacta payout. Just my opinion.

[Fairmount1]

Am I the only one that is contemplating if I saw this story with Bodemeister a few years ago?  Bode, no starts at 2 I understand and he had to win Ark Derby to get into Ky Derby where he ran a bang up 2nd on the front end.  

Hate comparing times from different days much less different years but couldn\'t help but peak:

23.02, 46.55, 1:11.36, 1:36.74, 1:48.71  BODE, Baffert, Zayat, 9+ length victory
22.77, 45.99, 1:10.54, 1:35.94, 1:48.52  AP, Baffert, Zayat, 6+ length victory

[jp702006]

Lets not forget that it appears AP was out for a jog the entire way around.

[ajkreider]

Alternation won the Oaklawn Handicap in 1:49.9 that year.  Race Day went two seconds quicker this year.

AP put in a great performance, but it wasn\'t the display Bode put on, by a mile.  Everyone needs to take a breath.  He won\'t even be going into the Derby with the top figure.

[Topcat]

TGJB Wrote:
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> They have a lot of horses to bet this year.
> Materiality, Carpe Diem, Firing line and Frosted
> all have to take money. Very surprised if anyone\'s
> less than 3-1.
>
> More interesting question is whether they get 20.


. . . as \"the madness of crowds\" kicks in . . . if there ever was a year for the lesser speed types to duck the issue, this is it . . . but the moths seem to be attracted to the flame, more than ever.

[Topcat]

jp702006 Wrote:
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> Yes, I know that. However, you would get much
> better prop bet odds than you would with that $30
> exacta payout. Just my opinion.


Given Vegas\' status as a Los Angeles suburb . . . probably not.

[jbelfior]

Totally agree. This is 1978 all over again.......Affirmed, Alydar, Believe It.

Good Luck,
Joe B