Question for anyone who likes Materiality

[miff]

Why a pass for Drossel-slug?

[jerry]

To your point about Da\'Tara, his dam sire traces back to stamina laden sire Ribot, through Hoist the Flag and Tom Rolfe. Pretty strong stuff on the bottom. He also has 1 pt. in his Professional wing.

[TGJB]

When you \"had\" Ruler On Ice, what convinced you of his \"Class\"? Was it his third in the Sunland Derby, or second in the overnight stake the start before the Belmont?

That\'s rhetorical. Don\'t bother.

[ringato3]

Jerry,

Valid points.

But for me, I only care about breeding if the horse has a chance in my view.

D\'Tara was winless in 11 starts after the Belmont and off the board in the stakes races he tried after the Belmont.

And had non-descript accomplishments before the Belmont.

If you had him, good call.

I will NEVER EVER hit a horse like that without the \"all button\" and I seldom use it.

Rob

[mjellish]

I don\'t think D\'Tara was even included with the ALL button that year.

[jbelfior]

D\'Tara was going to be a pace factor after his sharp effort in the Pimlico race at a 1 1/16th.
Off of paired tops and if you didnt like Dutrow, Big Brown, or the obnoxious owner, D\'Tara wasn\'t impossible. There was 1 horse to beat that day---rest of the field was nothing.

Good Luck,
Joe B

[Wrongly]

Da\'Tara was Zito\'s rabbit for Anal Nakal!

[mjellish]

That\'s not how I remember it.  I had Dennis of Cork.  I also had Stay Thirsty and Fly Down.  All brutal loses.

[ringato3]

This is a CRIMINAL case or redboarding............

[Leamas57]

Why would he send Mub? Mub sat off the pace in Dubai, on the rail. When he moved out, he had plenty.  They did not go that fast over there early on from what I can tell, so he may not be best on the front.

Don\'t see the advantage in \"sending\" him unless that means to try to get away with the lead in soft fractions and that won\'t happen. I think he trys to stay within a few lengths of the leaders (4-5?) until the top of the stretch. Because I do not know what to do with Frosted, I will use MUB, MAT, and AP boxed for the exacta.

[toppled]

He might send Mub to keep him out of trouble.  Then he has to decide whether to let American Pharoah & Materiality go by & sit 3rd or stay and occupy the rail.  I can\'t see mub worse than 3rd at the 1st turn.

[ringato3]

There are 8 horses in the race on a track with wide sweeping turns and plenty of space.

Of all the problems Mubtahij will likely have Saturday, keeping him out of trouble early is pretty far down the list.

You can\'t see him worse than 3rd early.

It would take an act of God to have him higher than 3rd early.

Rob

[joemama]

Any Sarava Stories?

[Tavasco]

miff Wrote:
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> Why a pass for Drossel-slug?

Since his first crop will appear this year, just yesterday I was wondering about their name prospects. Not a bad start.

Of course his BC Classic win taints him quite a bit.

[ringato3]

The BC Classic win was luckier than the Belmont win.  

Quite possibly the luckiest horse to ever run.

The day he won the Belmont was the ONLY day in my memory over the last 20 years when on Belmont Stakes day, the Belmont main surface was incredibly tiring and deeply favoring closers.  Usually on big days, you get a fair to fast and slightly speed favoring track at Belmont.

The BC Classic he won was when the Churchill Downs \"Keystone cops\", AKA the track crew, had an extremely dead rail and disgusting surface for the second year in a row on Breeders Cup day - inexcusable.  Not to mention they did the same thing for the derby between those two BC days.  Poor Game on Dude, on the rail, put away Uncle mo, then two others, while down on the inside, then got passed late by Drosselmeyer.

sometimes it is better to be lucky than good.  haven\'t I heard that somewhere....

Rob