A Glimmer Of Hope

[TGJB]

Since it\'s not every horse that goes forward a little, a \"condition move\" is then in the eye of the beholder. It\'s just a way of saying someone is reading a horse to go forward, so yes, all horseplayers (not just sheet players) do it all the time.

By the way, to nip in the bud some nonsense you posted on the other board, no, we never said Unrivaled was a Derby prospect. He went into the BG 5 points slower than the winner, and 5-7 slower than many Derby contenders.

You do understand there\'s no arguing with you, right? Your position is that you don\'t know anything about figures, but have an opinion about which are better or worse, without even doing a serious comparison, like Irwin did.

[TGJB]

But you\'re not redboarder...

[vp612]

It is not in the eye of the beholder but in the numbers.Your the guy who doesn\'t understand and you make numbers.it is a PATTERN another word I never heard here.

[vp612]

If I knew how to make figures or understood what they do would I be buying their numbers?I buy them because I don;t know how they do it.Is that so complicated?

[miff]

Vito,

You are missing a serious point. You are taking the Rag figs as gospel and pattern reading accordingly.Have you ever considered figs, Rags or anybodys, are not gospel, often enough far from it. How do you overcome that being a one dimensional pattern reader? PP\'s, works,biases, visuals etc etc are irrelevant?

Mike

[TGJB]

No, it\'s not complicated at all. It means you have no basis for an opinion.

[vp612]

I am not a vet,When A horse comes on the track unless he is sweating badly I assume he is ok.Workouts mean nothing to me.I care that my horse worked not how fast he worked.BBT works his horses in 57, Jerkens worked his horses in 114.I t means nothing to me.I don\'t want to start looking at too many things because then it becomes well I like the pattern but.With all the drug stuff,you have enough to look at just with trainers alone.I try to stay consistent.Yesterday I really liked Bolo a lot but Smith decided to be 3 wide the whole way,but the bolo line I will play every time.

[vp612]

Oh I see you have to make numbers and understand the concept of numbers to have an opinion.Let me ask ,does this work for everything in life?Do you have to know how to make a car to buy one?Do you have to know how to make pasta before you can go to an Italian restaurant and tell the guy you don\'t like it.?You know you are really a funny guy.

[TGJB]

No. You have to have tried the pasta at other places to say it\'s the best, though.

[miff]

Vito,

In that context, can a non Italian be a funny guy?

Mike

[vp612]

Sure.

[vp612]

Well I have tried the pasta(their product)and I like it better.Look I have looked at your numbers and i had a very difficult time with them.Let\'s just say we agree to disagree.Have a nice Easter or Passover.

[miff]

Not sure Joe Pesce would agree.

[vp612]

Pesci.

[Old Mr. Boston]

It seems to me that everyone here is missing the overall point. All sheets players read and interpret numbers in one way or another, just listen to any of JB\'s seminars.The only real issue is who has the most accurate numbers to work with. Vito has his opinion, TG users have theirs..